tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post5271120697523419650..comments2023-10-12T09:29:51.035-05:00Comments on The Podium: Re: Bizarre Portrayals Of Gays In Republican AdsRev. Christopher J. Pattonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15020185341644873695noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-54465229807224691972008-10-22T15:47:00.000-05:002008-10-22T15:47:00.000-05:00I concede your point simply because you pulled the...I concede your point simply because you pulled the Snidely Whiplash reference.<BR/><BR/>Taco, as always, you are correct.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16297512539811060710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-6271519137318043822008-10-22T13:28:00.000-05:002008-10-22T13:28:00.000-05:00You have a poor concept of who-you-are versus what...You have a poor concept of who-you-are versus what-you-do versus what-that-makes-people-think. Those quotations are not a contradiction per se and it's disingenuous of you to force the conclusion.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure why you want to play this "gotcha" game with quotes on this comments page. Does dismissing and discrediting me really interest you that much more than discussing the big political and journalistic questions in play here? You do realize, I hope, that I'm not a politician with something to lose from dishonest soundbiting?<BR/><BR/>I am a literate observer trying to have a conversation and make a point. You, on the other hand, have at least twice now inserted yourself into my conversation with someone else to play the role of the aloof Sean Hannity, talking about me rather than to me, pulling quotes out of context and struggling to make me look like some kind of cartoonish Snidely Whiplash.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to point out that it hasn't helped the McCain campaign make their case, and it isn't helping you.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-76473342465324079972008-10-22T12:40:00.000-05:002008-10-22T12:40:00.000-05:00Taco says:"It's not about you.""Stick to the issue...Taco says:<BR/><BR/>"It's not about you."<BR/><BR/>"Stick to the issues."<BR/><BR/>...then...<BR/><BR/>"That is an extremely juvenile way to view reader feedback and only makes me further question your ability to understand the nuance of the complex political issues you comment on frequently."<BR/><BR/>Do as you say, not as you do, eh Taco?Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16297512539811060710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-5294118130216205522008-10-21T22:32:00.000-05:002008-10-21T22:32:00.000-05:00Last word, eh? Spot-on Bill O'Reilly impression. Y...Last word, eh? Spot-on Bill O'Reilly impression. You should look into a career writing for Comedy Central, because your newspaperman skills are lousy.<BR/><BR/>Once again, my comments about partisanship here are tailored specifically Chris Patton's blogging and politics, not yours or the Daily Iowan's in general. He is the one, after all, who has dominated the DI's blog pages since July with <I>Attack of the Lizard King</I> pictures and issueless Sarah Palin gossip. Your strong desire to redirect my comments here to yourself and the paper are mystifying to me.<BR/><BR/>I'll give you the same advice I've given Chris over and over in his campaign coverage: Stick to the issues. My criticisms aren't about <I>you</I>, and it doesn't boil down to whether the topic at hand is loved or hated. That is an extremely juvenile way to view reader feedback and only makes me further question your ability to understand the nuance of the complex political issues you comment on frequently.<BR/><BR/>The New York Times' editors doesn't spend much time thinking about the people who love or hate their product because they are professional and sophisticated enough to understand that different people look at the world through different lenses and find different links between issues that any one opinion writer could simply miss. I'm sure you can see the common sense in that, and in light of it I encourage you to reconsider your views of me and others who post criticism of your opinion writing. I read the Daily Iowan because it is my community paper. I criticize opinion pieces I find fault in because I hate to see my community be spoon-fed campaign talking points vis-a-vis blogosphere conjecture and slanted reporting.<BR/><BR/>If you can't appreciate that, you need to reevaluate your priorities as Opinions Editor and reconsider the purpose of a community newspaper's opinions section.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-2958861299722650632008-10-21T15:15:00.000-05:002008-10-21T15:15:00.000-05:00Taco, when you assume....When have I ever, ever sa...Taco, when you assume....<BR/><BR/>When have I ever, ever said in any of my blog postings or columns that I felt my future was in blogging? Please cite your source.<BR/><BR/>And in case you haven't noticed, this is not the New York Times, so I truly don't care what the New York Times opinions editor would or would not tell his readers.<BR/><BR/>I personally wonder if the opinions editor at the NYT has folks who continually bash and hate on their paper but for some reason continue to read it. I could relate to that.<BR/><BR/>I'll leave you the last word, since the internet is your domain.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241300966694685819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-8944132974356170562008-10-21T14:05:00.000-05:002008-10-21T14:05:00.000-05:00You are so abstruse I can't help but laugh, Nate. ...You are so abstruse I can't help but laugh, Nate. I wonder if a writer for the New York Times would tell their readers that no one likes a "spelling troll". But, I'm coming to expect less from writers like you and Chris who see your future apparently in blogging instead of something grown-ups read.<BR/><BR/>Repeating myself yet again: I'm not talking about the Editorial Board and their editorials. I'm talking about opinion columnist Chris Patton and his opinion column. I do not know why you find that difficult to understand.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-91114774525736837262008-10-20T19:26:00.000-05:002008-10-20T19:26:00.000-05:00Taco, our names aren't on the editorials, so how -...Taco, our names aren't on the editorials, so how - barring your seemingly amazing reading comprehension (obviously better than mine, from what I'm reading) - would you know that Christopher hadn't written any third party editorials?<BR/><BR/>And by the way, starting off your response with a juvenile insult is very endearing, good sir. There are a series of editors above me to catch the "flood" of spelling errors that you are finding. And no one likes a spelling troll.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16297512539811060710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-45469167614495295722008-10-20T16:30:00.000-05:002008-10-20T16:30:00.000-05:00C+. Are you the proofreader who lets all the spell...C+. Are you the proofreader who lets all the spelling mistakes slip through all the time? Your reading comprehension is <I>terrible.</I><BR/><BR/>Given the context, the quote argumentatively amounts to this: "I find that hard to believe {that you are voting Barr/Root} considering [...] total lack of opinion pieces on third party candidates.<BR/><BR/>The only party this posting can even marginally logically apply to is Chris in particular. He is the one espousing libertarianism in this post and comments, not the Editorial Board. He's the one saying he'll vote Barr/Root, not the Editorial Board. And, as I was saying, I can't fathom how you could manage to squeek through the whole election year without writing one opinion column about libertarianism, the Libertarian Party platform, or the Barr/Root campaign if that's your genuine idea.<BR/><BR/>And I was right about that. It's not his genuine ideal. He's only voting for Barr/Root based on a secondary priority of his because his vote for Obama isn't "needed".tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-59216461086361161062008-10-20T01:10:00.000-05:002008-10-20T01:10:00.000-05:00You said, and I quote:"I find that hard to believe...You said, and I quote:<BR/>"I find that hard to believe, considering the relative absence of criticism of Obama in your blog postings and complete total lack of opinion pieces on third party candidates."<BR/><BR/>"Total lack of opinion pieces on third party candidates."Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16297512539811060710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-28012005078387671882008-10-19T22:58:00.000-05:002008-10-19T22:58:00.000-05:00Quoting myself, emphasis added:"[I]f you were seri...Quoting myself, emphasis added:<BR/><BR/>"[I]f you were serious about it I would have expected to see <I>numerous</I> pieces on the two-party system, libertarian issues, candidates, etc. <I>long before today</I>."<BR/><BR/>A single 2-page editorial, a smattering of Cato Institute video postings, and a vote for Barr/Root does not constitute a conscientious advancement of Libertarian principles when you fill your blog to bursting for weeks on end with Sarah Palin gossip and rumor like the "secret mooslim" story.<BR/><BR/>The Daily Iowan's coverage of McCain is stark and condemning, and I approve of that. Your coverage of Obama on the other hand is certainly apologetic, and I'd say even fawning at times, and with your analytical skills and clear media savvy that makes me disappointed in Chris.<BR/><BR/>You have a very well situated blog. If you want to change the political landscape and bring the Libertarian Party to the forefront then <I>do it.</I> Participation is at an all-time high in this country and now is the ideal time for it to happen. Pedestrian ranting about the candidates being hateful ideologues (duh) is the fuel for the fire that maintains the status quo.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-24207569931430772982008-10-19T15:39:00.000-05:002008-10-19T15:39:00.000-05:00Taco, we JUST ran a third party editorial last WEE...Taco, we JUST ran a third party editorial last WEEK. Did you miss it? Granted, it wasn't terribly in-depth, but it was there.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16297512539811060710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-45431266936748626112008-10-19T11:36:00.000-05:002008-10-19T11:36:00.000-05:00Just wait until after the election, huh? I'd be vo...Just wait until after the election, huh? I'd be voting for him if Obama needed it to win Iowa, huh? Oh, I see. In other words I was right and you don't take your vote seriously.<BR/><BR/>Washington and the two-party system is what I called hypocritical, Chris. You are dishonest, and don't see the forest for the trees. You talk the talk, but you do not walk the walk. While you directly espouse libertarian ideals and case your vote for Barr, you've been using a far more powerful tool, your blogging network, to circulate silly pictures of McCain and Obama campaign talking points on Sarah Palin and other non-issues the majority of the past year, which is deeply saddening to me.<BR/><BR/>I hope the smug self-satisfaction you get in voting for Barr neutralizes the bitter taste of your enthusiastic contributions to the system that keeps his party marginalized.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-81832968631992218532008-10-18T11:51:00.000-05:002008-10-18T11:51:00.000-05:00*lol*Taco, I don't really care what you find easy ...*lol*<BR/><BR/>Taco, I don't really care what you find easy or hard to believe. I don't just fancy myself a libertarian, that's how I'm registered. As I've said before, I've never voted for a Democrat in my life. I have voted for some Republicans, but I regret one of those votes very much (which I'll be writing about in my column next week).<BR/><BR/>Regarding opinions pieces on third-party candidates, here's a piece we ran this week: http://is.gd/4jzd. But what you have to understand is that I don't decide what goes on the opinions page. That's the editors job. Given that I'm the only Libertarian on the editorial board, it's not surprising that we don't write about that party very much.<BR/><BR/>Regarding my criticism or lack thereof of Obama, just wait until after the election. Though I favor Obama over McCain to the greatest possible extent in the realms of foreign policy and social issues, I disagree with most of his economic policies. But, as I've made plenty of noise about on the blog, at this point the Republicans aren't actually any more fiscally conservative than the Democrats anymore.<BR/><BR/>Only a ridiculously anti-pragmatic purist would think it's hypocritical of me to want Obama to win when I agree with him on foreign and social policy while I agree with McCain on virtually nothing. If Obama's margin of victory in Iowa weren't going to be substantial I'd be voting for him. However, given the current situation, my vote is better used trying to get Bob Barr up to the 5 percent threshold. So that's what I'm going to do, regardless of your beliefs on the matter.Rev. Christopher J. Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15020185341644873695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-28304430590196883032008-10-17T14:25:00.000-05:002008-10-17T14:25:00.000-05:00I find that hard to believe, considering the relat...I find that hard to believe, considering the relative absence of criticism of Obama in your blog postings and complete total lack of opinion pieces on third party candidates.<BR/><BR/>I know you fancy yourself a libertarian, but if you were serious about it I would have expected to see numerous pieces on the two-party system, libertarian issues, candidates, etc. long before today.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-54141014827406699072008-10-17T10:45:00.000-05:002008-10-17T10:45:00.000-05:00And I'll most likely be voting for Bob Barr, which...And I'll most likely be voting for Bob Barr, which will be the focus of my last column before the election.Rev. Christopher J. Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15020185341644873695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23077414.post-67311304710252360652008-10-17T08:20:00.000-05:002008-10-17T08:20:00.000-05:00Congratulations, Chris. At least when it comes to ...Congratulations, Chris. At least when it comes to gay issues, you drill down deep enough to recognize the status quo of Washington and the hypocritical moral contempt of the DNC.<BR/><BR/>God forbid you'd ever give Barack Obama the same scrutiny when he sticks his forked tongue out and talks about major military redeployment to Pakistan, when he won't lay out an energy plan beyond emissions standards, and dances around the deficit/budget shortfall question in the debates right alongside McCain.<BR/><BR/>I'll be voting Nader/Gonzalez this year. It doesn't matter that they can't win. I can't bring myself to compromise on my morals to vote for either of these snakes as they <A HREF="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_3.html" REL="nofollow">both lie</A>, dodge issues, parrot talking points. I want to see real change in this political system, and after the debate on Wednesday, it's clear to me that for the RNC and DNC, "change" is just a buzzword in the same old game of American politics.tacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01661344975130655338noreply@blogger.com